DISQUS

aleemb · 4 months ago

I admire your gesture but question your judgement.

Donation-ware is fine but if the donations don't meet the operating expenses you are suggesting that you will fulfil the gap out of your own pocket. Very simply put, this is not a *sustainable* strategy. It's unsustainable in the long term. It works for Wikipedia because of the natural monopoly and network-effects that further strengthen it's monopoly. It can always fall back on a revenue model by using advertisements if it comes down to it. It has a tremendous value proposition for the community that cannot be offered by anyone else.

But for tr.im, digging into your own pockets is unsustainable unless you have really deep pockets or you have struck an iron-clad agreement with a highly sustainable hosting provider. Should you fall off the face off the earth tomorrow (I hope not) what will happen to tr.im? Will you be leaving a trust fund behind? The same money you will be putting toward tr.im could be used for even greater humanitarian good and you should just let other sustainable businesses fight it out, or strive to make tr.im sustainable. And again, if you had the ability to do this all along then why the ruckus to shut it down? If your intention was to draw attention, then I sincerely applaud you for the marketing.

But I am still in disbelief. You will be facing forever increasing costs as the user base continues to grow. There is still no revenue model so you will forever be operating as a cost-centre and forever require donations. You can add very little value that your competitors cannot. The value of opening up database is again very little because that won't help alleviate link-rot. The community will strive to eliminate cookies and user-tracking so you won't derive much intelligence out of it and even if you do, you cannot monetize it because it's free for all. You will have negative cash flow and in the long run you are economically doomed. Your value proposition is bleak (your competitors already offer the same service) and the worst part is that the risk is ever-increasing because the more links tr.im hosts, the worse the impact will be if the company goes out of service. It's like a ever growing time-bomb waiting to go off.

Not only that, but the risks associated with tr.im make it ever more riskier and users would be prudent to use a service that *is* sustainable because they'll get better link continuity. That means that your sustainable competitor will benefit from network-effects and you will be even worse off than you think.

I wish I were there to talk you out of this decision before you made it. You had better alternatives. Maybe you still do.

scascot · 4 months ago

Eric, I have to be complete open with you: After listening to your interview last week, I became disgusted with you, tr.im, and Nambu in general, for reasons I can't quite put my finger on. A lot if it had to do with your tone during the interview, which was still bitter against Twitter/bit.ly, and came across as whining about not being able to make money, about the onus placed on you by tr.im's hosting company to ensure spammers didn't use tr.im, and about your Chinese coders abandoning you & Nambu to work on other projects.

I, for one, like the service that tr.im (and pic.im) provides. I'm also deeply enamored of Nambu, and believe that it is the best Twitter client out there. I'd hate for an impression formed during a stressful time to be the basis of an opinion of you or your company, and this move goes a long way towards changing that. I'm glad to see tr.im transition to this status, and wish you the best of luck. What I think that I, and everyone else in the Nambu/tr.im community needs right now, is an assurance that Nambu will continue development, and that some of the larger bugaboos will be squashed, soon. That, couple with this announcement, will go a long way towards repairing your standing in the community.

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

I appreciate these comments, and hear them. I have not made any statement on Nambu yet for fear of being criticized for using the tr.im fiasco to hype Nambu. Nambu has had its problems but we are proceeding. I will have more details very soon.

aleksdiscodust · 4 months ago

love tr.im!

Mark · 4 months ago

Yeah!!! Back to using Tr.im. Tried Bitly for um.. a few days.. and I am migrating back. I think that would be an EXCELLENT business model.. an OpenSource (if you will) community run website. This should encourage more feedback and users.

I'm In!!

Nathan Waters · 4 months ago

I think I've only ever shortened a few URLs back in the tinyurl days, and don't use Twitter... but I really admire this initiative Eric, good work mate!

me · 4 months ago

Please ignore all of the haters and complete idiots who have no idea how expensive and difficult it is to build something that people love. You have done a good job thus far, and have been unfortunately thrown under the bus, and publicly trampled by trolls, while trying to figure out what to do with what you have built.

Option 1: Try to sell = very tough to get back what you've put in
Option 2: Quit = See cartoon above
Option 3: Try to sell again = Even tougher given all the negative numbskulls
Option 301 = OK, but far from optimal
Option 4: OpenSource = Great Idea, hopefully it will be well received and you will live on like Jimmy Wales (Only I hope you make much more than he does)

Best of Luck to Tr.im

Hopefully Option 5 comes in at the 11th hour... Google to the rescue!

- me

Ninh Nguyen · 4 months ago

It's really awesome. Switching to tr.im now.

Mike Keen · 4 months ago

Seriously, get over yourselves. If tr.im is any more than 200 lines of code (I'm being very generous) I'd be surprised. It's not worth more than the hard disks it's stored on.

budhajeewa · 4 months ago

Its not the length of the source codes lines, which is worth. Worth is what it can do. And better-coded software have lesser lines of source codes.

M Mokrysz · 4 months ago

Tr.im is worthless (and as a concept evil, but necessary and so I've no objections to the services), and yes this post is just laughable, but 200 is going a bit far - it'll be thousands. Next time you consider 200 lines of code generous to power everything from an API to an accounts system, get your brain checked. That comment was even sillier than this main post.

Mike Keen · 4 months ago

Your pedantic speculation has been invaluable to this discussion. Thank you so much.

M Mokrysz · 4 months ago

Don't mention it, happy to help.

Cipro · 3 months ago

Don't be so rude man

RatherBeBiking · 3 months ago

Seriously, you're just a dick. Please don't use a tr.im and go away.

CCjudy · 4 months ago

what an awesome model J

kawika · 4 months ago

Eric, first: Great choice of a self-deprecating cartoon. Keeping a sense of humor is important. Second, this must have been very stressful for you, so congrats on coming up with a potentially solution. Third, as a fan of the service and the benefits of open source, I'm looking forward to switching back to tr.im soon. Fourth, good luck with all the server stuff. I don't pretend to understand it other than to guess attempting to host data for a community-owned system must be a legal, logistically, and programmatic challenge.

Timmy · 4 months ago

Awesome. Simply. I was worried Tr.im would go dodo and I'd have to use something else.

Andrew Conkling · 4 months ago

I didn't hear about bit.ly "injecting themselves into the conversation" from anywhere but here. Ironic.

dannyroa · 4 months ago

I think it was actually tr.im that inserted bit.ly into the conversation by pointing out the latter as Twitter's Url of choice. Mentioning bit.ly's "offer" and 310works.org as PR stunt in this post don't really improve your image after deciding to shut tr.im down and then looking for a buyer.

m_b · 4 months ago

Look at some of the Techcrunch articles from last week. They definitely did.

Andrew Conkling · 4 months ago

I'm not saying they didn't, just that (not reading TechCrunch because it's garbage) I hadn't heard about it before reading this.

iMeow · 4 months ago

Are you and I reading the same TechCrunch? Nowhere does it suggest that bit.ly "injecting themselves into the conversation". I agree with Andrew.

JohnONolan · 4 months ago

Same here.

John Turner · 4 months ago

Awesome news! Any know what language tr.im is written in?

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

tr.im is implemented with three Ruby on Rails applications connected to a shared Memcache server and MySQL database. We have separate RoR applications for the website, API, and tr.im URL redirections, and requests are directed to each as necessary by a HAProxy frontend.

John Turner · 4 months ago

cool, thx for the reply

Dale · 4 months ago

Oh, it'll be interesting to get a look at that

Ash Rust · 4 months ago

Can we donate, to help with the costs?

Will Robertson · 4 months ago

"6. tr.im will being accepting donations to help meet its operating expenses, but in a completely transparent and open way."

macewan · 4 months ago

Are you accepting donations through PayPal? If so please forward the information.

benderunit9000 · 4 months ago

oh my. this is great! endless supply of short urls @ my own domain now :-D weee

Ward Mundy · 4 months ago

An open source URL shortener: what a terrific idea. Not sure how anyone can take issue with that.

peter · 4 months ago

Google is working on the same thing namely Google apps but it is still beta

invoker · 4 months ago

Congratulations, I think this will be well received Eric. -Hootsuite and ow.ly look forward to seeing your progress.

devolute · 4 months ago

Here here! Better than some of the 'toys out of the pram' strops I've seen elsewhere recently.

jrgifford · 4 months ago

Yes!! i really like tr.im. MUCH better than bit.ly

Pelle Wessman · 4 months ago

It's not entirely true that you need both the domain and the data to rescue an abandoned url shortener - you're neglecting the power of search and replace.

There could be tools - both server side and client side - that replaces a dysfunctional shortener with a functional one - just like http://www.longurlplease.com/ does for even functional shorteners.

Still - it's applaudable that you're changing your decision on this one.

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

This would not prevent a wholesale hijack situation, for example, where millions of visitors were redirected to a malware or spam website without warning until all links were tracked down and changed. The damage would be done.

Name · 3 months ago

This covers Twitter because they cooperate with the replacement. There might be lots of other places that don't...

Jon · 4 months ago

Thanks for putting the effort into opening this up. I, for one, really appreciate it.

ravi · 4 months ago

Good follow-up, and I do not blame you in any way for rejecting bit.ly's opportunism ($10k is a joke). You are absolutely right that Twitter's privileging one service (bit.ly) severely biases the field, and you are not "whining" when you point that out.

I hope you will in short order post something that clears up the confusion surrounding the future of Nambu for the Mac.

Good luck.

playerx · 4 months ago

+2 points for some redemption.

Thanks Eric :)

playerx · 4 months ago

BTW, I bet if you release @nambucom under MIT like you plan to do with tr.im you'd further cement your relationship with the community, and have software platinum in hand, which would devour any remaining Mac OSX twitter clients.

a web developer · 4 months ago

My first thought after being introduced to tr.im was the question 'how anyone could think they were going to monetize *another* url-shortening service.

Opening up tr.im to the community is the right move, and a great idea that makes it stand out from the rest, which IMO is a key part to the success of any idea/product/service.

Look out for the opportunities that will come.

mhaller · 4 months ago

this is the most cool thing i've ever heard this year. great!

Jack Damn · 4 months ago

"...against the bit.ly/twitter embargo..." "...in contrast to the closed twitter/bit.ly walled garden..."

Bitter? Man...Learn, flush and move on. They won, you lost. Happens in business EVERY DAY. Let it go.

P.S. Awesome that it looks like the project will stay alive. Love the service.

Guest · 4 months ago

And what is going to happen with pic.im?

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

I intentionally did not mention pic.im for fear of confusing the issue, but that will be released as well.

mseibert · 4 months ago

That is great news, just as stated here:
http://twitter.com/mseibert/status/3367444747

I will be happy to donate do a non-commercial entity as soon as it is available. :-)

Kevin Burton · 4 months ago

Can we start referring to the "bit.ly/twitter embargo" as bitter? :)

ravi · 4 months ago

;-) I think "bitter ergo" is better i.e., twitter => bit.ly, ergo bitter.

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

I understand why some people see it as bitter, but it really it not. I see it as a reality that must be faced. As I have said, I dont see it as a personal exclusion at all, but it is an exclusion nonetheless.

Kevin Burton · 4 months ago

I don't think that URL shorteners need to exist at all but if the community insists then perhaps I am wrong.

One thing to point out though (and it does seem like you have the best intentions) is that you would need to setup an entity to hold the assets so that you don't decide to take tr.im in the other direction should it turn into a raging success.

The community is making the investment so we would want to see dividends.

Also, I'd to not that Spinn3r would love to be one of your first data consumers (including click stream data).

Kevin

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

Yes, I agree, but I am not a lawyer, and not sure exactly how that will be demonstrated, but it will be. I ask for anyone that has experience or knowledge of this process to contact me.

gordonmattey · 4 months ago

In the US, you could set up a nonprofit public benefit entity.

- Such an entity is a corporation but it cannot have share holders.
- The entity can have members who are responsible for deciding on the direction and course of the entity, i.e., it is community owned
- There can be different levels of membership, with different voting rights...
- Other roles include the more traditional president, chairman and secretary roles as well as establishing a board of directors.
- These types of org are also restricted from distributing profits or assets to members or employees.
- These types of entity can be tax exempt if they operate in the right way, and can apply for federal charity status which means donations can be tax deductible.
- In the entity's articles of incorporation, it can also state that only other non profit public benefit entities can acquire the assets of this entity, somewhat restricting the likely use of any assets in the future if the company was acquired.

Google's OpenSocial is a good example of an entity structured this way. - http://www.opensocial.org/page/opensocial-found...

The documents on the site show a relevant example because they also show their non IP assertion agreements which are essential, so that any contributor of code will have to sign off on never litigating against trim for IP infringement.

Mozilla is also a good example of an entity with this structure - http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/

Also the Open Web Foundation (http://openwebfoundation.org/) was set up to help community driven standards efforts from a legal framework perspective. I'm not sure if they help, but I can put you in contact with someone there.

I have set up an entity like open social (www.openviewing.org), but without the membership aspect. I'm not a lawyer but I would be more than happy to talk through my limited experience.

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

Thanks for this. Ideally I would prefer to avoid having to deal with forming an official organization to maintain. I would prefer to just donate the domain name to an obviously legitimate and impartial group that ensures the domain name will not be sold or links otherwise hijacked.

R. · 4 months ago

You're definitely doing the Right Thing.

Matt · 4 months ago

Accept responsibility for your own mistakes, stop trying to blame it on Twitter, bit.ly, 301works, and everyone blogging about it. The fact that Nambu can't decide what the hell you want to do just screams for people to ignore you forever.

Fuck tr.im.

Mason Lee · 4 months ago

Great resolution-- I listened to your discussion with Dave Winer on BadHair.us.

Question about click-thru statistics: What will this mean for existing users that have private click stats? Do I recall that correctly as being a member's only feature of Tr.im? (Feature link is gone at the moment.)

Thanks!

EDITED- I see that public aggregate click stats are the stated plan going forward.

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

All private statistics will remain private. tr.im data will only be made available in aggregated form, completely anonymized. It will not include any individual tr.im URL of yours or anyone else, but only destination URLs, the number of tr.im URLs created, and their aggregate click count, based on some sort of time window.

iMeow · 4 months ago

Wow. You are now officially my hero. First you announce that you are shutting down because you can't keep up with the costs. Then, you beg others to buy your service (which is worth nothing), but refuse to accept anyone's offers. You do not want to buy into 301works.com (which is maintain by a 3rd party) simply because it was started bit.ly. Finally, since all your previous attempts to get any money have failed, you write a long post that is supposed to make users sympathies with you and get them to fall for your open source marketing stunt. And all along the way you blame everyone who simply have nothing to do with your blatant incompetency, ranging from Twitter and bit.ly to TechCrunch, 301works.com and everyone that didn't offer you enough money for an acquisition. Quite honestly, you guys are pathetic.

chrisco · 4 months ago

Nice move, Eric! -chrisco

json · 4 months ago

If you wish to donate the domain, may i suggest OpenDomain.Org?
We give domains to Open projects for FREE

Please see: http://www.oscon.com/

We will pay any transfer costs, and are willing to pay reasonable requests for costs as well
We guarantee we have NEVER sold a domain

Feel free to contact me Ric AT openajax dot COM

Karamjit · 4 months ago

Blaming Twitter and bit.ly for all your problems is kind of sad. You failed, so just accept it without trying to provide lame excuses. Good luck with your future endeavours though.

Crucial · 4 months ago

Any truth to the rumor that a malware operator offered to buy the domain name for 250k USD? That sounds like pretty good money to me. Way more than what bit.ly offered.

pablo_livardo · 4 months ago

Does this mean that you will be co-ordinating changes to tr.im? Can we expect to see the codebase for this site being open-sourced through github, sourceforge, etc? I'd like to contribute to ongoing development of tr.im, on this domain, not some other service - although I'm interested in porting it to PHP.

I also see that GNIP will be providing access to the data, is this going to provide some income? I'd like to see tr.im covering its expenses and thought this data would be key, maybe keep the real-time for yourself and give the old data, i.e. older than 24 hours, for free. I want to see tr.im prosper and not to be facing another financial crisis in 6 months time because we, the community, has driven the load upwards and made it financially difficult for you.

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

The idea would be to not restrict the data in any way at all. I would love it if someone that can only afford a server has a chance to work with it. I will get the costs down now that tr.im is essentially non-commercial, as well.

I would assume that it the source code will end up on Github, and I will start as the maintainer with others to help as they come forward, but the finer details remain to be worked out. I would love to hear from anyone that wants to work with me on extending the tr.im feature set and capabilities. There are no doubt many developers out there much better than us that will be able to point out many possible improvements.

HandyRandy · 4 months ago

This is fantastic news!

Hatem Nassrat · 4 months ago

I accept the offer to buy tr.im as a community member. From now on, I will attempt to only use tr.im

budhajeewa · 4 months ago

Guess tr.im is to be the first-ever open source link shortener ? My congratz, let us have a great future 1

Lopo Lencastre de Almeida · 3 months ago

There are a few more but not with the as many options as tr.im.
For instance, TightURL powers ur1.ca and 2tu.us

kyledylanconner · 4 months ago

You and your company are full of fail.

David Lindahl · 4 months ago

That's too bad; I wish you would have responded to my email. My offer was going to be the same amount as bit.ly's (sort of creepy actually).

lameei · 4 months ago

Openness will encourage more to use tr.im. I think this is much better than selling the project to bit.ly for only $10000. People always look for services which are different. with this strategy tr.im will be the most different URL shortner of all time.

gubatron · 4 months ago

Maybe this move will help open the eyes of so many into seeing new business models for the internet.
I for one had an aha moment and thought of how much money twitter.com must be charging bit.ly for using them, and if not, it must be all power and networking (bit.ly could be a major share holder in twitter)

Anyways, for Twitter, facebook and others to allow users to use the URL shortening service of their preference there needs to be a standard API interface for websites to request a URL to be shortened, something as simple as http://<url shortening domain>/shorten/<target url> but standard, everyone right now has their own requesting URL, and even return formats... keep it simple guys

Then the URL shortening service could provide the requesting client some standard headers:

-------
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Hits: <number of hits if url was created previously, 0 for new url>
Creation-date: <GMT date when url was created>
<Other standard HTTP headers>

<shortened url>
------

Then it's just a matter of changing the domain in your URL shortening request parameters and the social network site, email service (think Gmail, Yahoo mail, Hotmail, tons of $$ for tr.im if a deal like would ever be cut, and if not those big players decide to let users choose, then every URL shortener wins), or whatever site could implement any URL shortenner. Maybe now that tr.im goes open, this will be a reality.

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

We have something very very similar to what you are proposing here with the trim_simple method outlined in our API documentation. It was was requested very early on, and has been very popular. We add parameters that allow for authentication, which perhaps you had not considered.

gubatron · 4 months ago

Thanks for the response. I did see your API documentation, as well as from other services, the problem is that it's not standard, everyone has their own way of doing it. As it is now, it's not even that hard to implement this for the most popular URL trimming services, however, the fact that each one is doing it their own way will not allow users to choose the one of their preference, and they'll be locked in to what twitter, or facebook offers (if they ever give us an option to choose our trimming service)

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

If any of sort of "standard" was ever adopted I would have no problem with tr.im adding it, obviously. It would be nice to have authentication adopted as well so people could track metrics if they are doing that.

Guest · 4 months ago

1) I have 2 friends that have short domains. One of them uses it for a co.nr/co.cc-type of website, the other domain is used for nothing. Both of them would like to have a url shortener, but they can't afford servers. I think tr.im shoul offer something like this: http://makeme.awe.sm/

2) Can you share tr.im's business plan?

web2marketing · 4 months ago

Bruce Willis would say it like this:

"What is this?"
"It´s a Short URL service"
"Who´s Short URL Service is this?"
"It´s tr.im´s!"
"Who is tr.im?"
"Tr.im´s dead, baby! Tr.im´s dead...."

imrananwar · 4 months ago

Eric, I can empathize and sympathize with your feelings. I also understand how you may have acted in haste previously. May I say, even this announcement smacks of emotional haste.

I will try to find a mechanism to reach you via email to see if I can propose an alternate solution as I do not see an easy to contact address for you here.

Regards

IMRAN
http://IMRAN.PK
http://IMRAN.COM

ninapaley · 4 months ago

I don't know much about URL shorteners, but what you did sounds awesome. I got a lot of "you're making a terrible mistake" comments when I freed Sita Sings the Blues, but it was one of the best decisions I ever made, and has brought nothing but good into my life.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."
-- Mohandas Gandhi, possibly quoting the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America but true no matter who said it first.

Eric Woodward · 4 months ago

I am reachable at ejw@nambu.com.

artoi · 4 months ago

Not so long ago you were gunning for the money with tr.im, and now doing a 180 deg whinge session on business reality is simply shameful!

Josh · 4 months ago

Glad to se tr.im is going open source and open community :)
Look forward to checking out the source and submitting patches.

HandyRandy · 4 months ago

I really, really hope this works. This is the future I envisioned. If not now, then someday...but hopefully now. Let's work together!

Katrien · 4 months ago

Waw, this is great news!
Unfortunately, because tr.im was shutting down, I switched everything to bit.ly quickly so all work related twitter and facebook and RSS links would keep on going. And now I'm leaving this internship for a new challenge so... I cannot switch back anymore for lack of time. (Twitterfeed didn't reinstall tr.im for url shortening yet). That is a real pity! I loved tr.im and if things normalize, I hope I can still get them here to switch it back!

Michael · 4 months ago

Seems like a final shot at the competition.

If we can't compete, we'll give it away and saturate the market. Might do some damage.

Not sure it will create any more quality. I am curious to see the code.

Claire-France Perez · 4 months ago

The doom and gloom reports are perhaps stating too pessimistically the meaning of errors. I congratulate you on the errors in progress, at all levels, for this is an uncomfortable place of dynamic changes and creativity. To move into this special place of error-driven decision making will eventually lead to success. Hold your position. Solutions will come from the community. Thank you for all you do!

dur dur · 4 months ago

ask the u.s gov for money, they seem to have enough

XDS · 4 months ago

_ Now that this is open maybe we can start thinking about a better foundation and foundational stresses for stats and security _

Richard X. Thripp · 3 months ago

This is good news. Sorry I was so nasty about your reversal before. Everyone makes mistakes, as I did.

I wrote a blog post called Egregious Failures, where I included the scathing comment I gave you, and cited it as an egregious failure on my part. If you read it, you'll realize I'm a hypocrite, because my URL shortening service Th8.us had a three day outage one month before. My service receives 1/1000 of the visitors that tr.im gets, but on principle my comment was wrong. Unlike my service, your service did not go offline at all. You just made an announcement which made people angry. TinyURL and Twitter have had major outages in the past few months. Your mistake was insignificant in comparison. If I did not read your blog or check your home page when you had the announcement up, I would not even know about it now.

Do you know what Twitter should do? Ditch all URL shorteners and just flag all URLs as 25 characters toward the 140, regardless of length. Problem solved.

Sorry and good luck,
Richard

Lopo Lencastre de Almeida · 3 months ago

Wordpress.com just made wp.me to be their url shortner of choice. Maybe others will plan to move in that direction

tim9876yg9876g · 3 months ago

great! Well done Sirs.

FredDavis · 3 months ago

Eric, I really applaud what you're doing with tr.im. I've been an entrepreneur for a long time, and have had to deal with some major dreams not materializing the way I had hoped. Your solution of bringing tr.im into the public domain was great. My newest start-up, grabbit.net, needed a url-shortener, and was thinking of using tr.im but also wanted better control over the service (for stuff like spam control), so your decision is a real boon to us. We're planning to create a tr.im-compatible service, and have acquired k.im to get the shortest shortener possible (http://k.im). We also want to be active in what we hope will become a vibrant tr.im open source community (we’re big on open source, and are building Grabbit using drupal)… and really want to help that emergent community find ways to combat link rot, the bane of all URL-shorteners. An open-source community solution to that problem would be a real boon to developers and users alike. You made a brave decision, and I really think it was a very wise one. We're waiting for your open source release with great anticipation! Thanks, Eric!!!

Eric Woodward · 3 months ago

I appreciate all of that. I am excited to be about to release the tr.im source and enlist others to help work on it and have it be competitive while we focus more on Nambu.

Lopo Lencastre de Almeida · 3 months ago

Well! It will be time to really learn Ruby for good :)

Lopo Lencastre de Almeida · 3 months ago

Spending almost £1,000 year for a premium IM is a great bet. We tought about that for smsh.me but we don't think that there is so much money to earn on this segment that justifies the spenditure :)

I'm waiting to see your neat Drupal-based project rolling.

yyeshua · 3 months ago

Tomorrow is 15 September. tr.im Open Source, yeah!!! I will use it :)

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Download Game
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Jobs · 1 month ago

nice jobs!

itjob123 · 2 weeks ago

You have done a good job thus far, and have been unfortunately thrown under the bus, and publicly trampled by trolls, while trying to figure out what to do with what you have built.

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